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Stereotypical jokes: Humorous or offensive?
By MICHELE DIGIACINTO
Collegian Staff Writer
A black guy, a Polish guy and an Irish guy are on a roof. Which one falls off first?The Irish guy, because the Polish guy has to stop and ask directions and the black guy has to spray paint his name on the wall first.
Name a group of people -- women, Italians, blondes or Puerto Ricans -- and there is probably a joke about them based on stereotypes.
Since the stereotypes have been around for a long time and are well-known, the punchlines of these jokes are always predictable. The punchline about a Jewish person will undoubtedly be about money and the punchline about a Polish person is always about stupidity.
But are these jokes offensive or humorous?
Some students said jokes targeting specific groups are in good humor and should not be taken seriously.
"People should loosen up," said Gary Grega (junior-business logistics).
Grega said that although it is wrong to point to disabled people and laugh at them, nothing is wrong with telling jokes about their conditions.
"I don't think there's anything wrong for busting on someone's race or religion. If something's funny, no matter what it's about, I'll laugh," he said.
Penn State University Veterans Organization President Pat Scanlan said people should not be offended by jokes, adding that if he was offended by every joke and comment made about him at the University, he would be filing many lawsuits.
"I was brought up that sticks and stones would break my bones but names will never hurt me," he said.
Jeff Feinblatt (junior-exercise and sport science) also said jokes poking fun at people should not be taken seriously. Feinblatt said some people are offended too easily, although other people take jokes too far.
"It's a delicate balance between what's okay and what's not," he said.
And other students said that although stereotypical jokes are offensive, it sometimes depends on the situation.
Some jokes are really offensive, said Anne Picariello (junior-marketing), but they are OK if they are told among friends and they are not malicious.
Certain jokes offend Picariello more than others, especially jokes about black people. Stereotypes about the black community are more harmful because they are labeled as thieves and gangsters, she added.
"I hate jokes about blacks because some are so nasty and people think they are so funny and I don't understand why," she said. "I hate the word 'nigger' and I say don't say the word when I'm around. If you want to say it when I'm not around that's fine, but not when I'm around."
Picariello's friend Stacey Werner (freshman-psychology) agreed that it depends on how and where the joke is told. Both said people assume they can tell them racist jokes because they are white.
But Werner said she does not like any jokes that stereotype.
"They're all ignorant and they're all wrong," Werner said.
James Hickey (sophomore-international business) said he has also been told racist jokes by people -- including his grandparents -- because he is white.
"I tend to give (my grandparents) leeway. I expect people our age and of our generation to be a little bit more intelligent than that," he said.
But some people find stereotypical jokes offensive regardless of the context or the situation.
Thomas Poole, professor of religious studies and African and African-American studies, said if people are offended by the joke then it is inherently offensive. He added that those in the majority, like himself, should also be offended.
Poole said people outside the University have told him racist jokes because he is white, but his response is very different from what they expected.
"I tell them that's just not a very funny joke as far as I'm concerned. That's offensive to me and others and that's inappropriate," he said.
Cinda Grippi (sophomore-exercise and sport science) said before she took a counselor education course, she was indifferent to stereotypical jokes. But after taking the class, Grippi said, she would confront anyone who told her an offensive joke.
Grippi said she also went to a program called "Let's Talk Racism," where several minority student leaders discussed race issues. Someone in the audience asked what she could do to combat racism, and one of the student leaders told her to confront people who make discriminatory comments.
"It never occurred to me to say something but I heard it right from (the minority student leaders)," she said. Grippi has confronted people since then.
Raheem Jarbo (freshman-health and human development) said he was E-mailed racist jokes last week from an unknown source and after he read a couple he trashed them. Jarbo said he tries to ignore racist jokes, and although jokes perpetuate stereotypes they are not the prime cause of racism.
"They could be harmful, but for the most part, they're already implanted in our minds," he said.
Ephraim Lopez, political co-director of the Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual Student Alliance, agreed that jokes perpetuate stereotypes but are not the sole cause.
"It's a big circle," he said.
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When I think of jokes and especially about the bad and offensive ones, I can't help coming up with Gorgojo (http://tiny.cc/uMPgK) Damn... Is he bad! His jokes are always about Nicaraguans, homosexuals and/or drunk people. If you have seen him during channel 7's "humoristic" transmissions, you know what I mean; if you haven't, don't you care much about it. There's something I've always wondered: why is it that he doesn't make fun of himself?! I think he is VERY funny-looking already. Would he (and El Porcionzón and the rest) make jokes about chubby, old, glasses-wearing people? I don't think so.
ResponderEliminarIt seems to me that the people who joke about intolerance will often be in the dominant side of the social dichotomy, and as such, they would not find it offensive to put others down. Joking about sexism or racism is a not just a way to make light of a social cancer, but also a way revel on our own cultural ignorance and prejudice.
ResponderEliminarFor me, to make a joke is an offence/insult in disguise, and it reflects unconsciously our way of thinking and behaving. In other words, according to the kind of joke, our identity even personality is going to be protrayed. It is true that some jokes are funny, but it is intolerant thinking about making offensive jokes,when you already know that they are going to move or damage somebody's identity and background.
ResponderEliminarMargaret Atwood once wrote: “I hope that people will finally come to realize that there is only one 'race' - the human race - and that we are all members of it.” I completely agree with her; it is not until each of us comes to that realization that we stop considering ourselves inferior or superior than others. Offensive jokes are incredibly destructive weapons in this constant war of words. They hurt beyond the flesh. And although one may choose not to listen or pay attention to this type of abuse, in an attempt to avoid feeling like a victim, offensive jokes still poison the hearts of those who tell and enjoy them. Indeed, bitterness against others destroys us more than we think. - Silvia
ResponderEliminarWe have to recognize that some jokes are ingenious and everybody secretly laugh of some of them. The key is not to have stereotypes as reference to prejudge a determined group of people, people are different one from the other and we all identify with several groups at a time. The level of empathy, respect and good humor of each person determines their tolerance to these jokes. As a Latin American, I can deal with some of the jokes, they make me laugh of stereotypes but of course there's always a limit; bad intention is not funny.
ResponderEliminarAdriana M:
ResponderEliminarWhen people create and tell jokes about another group of people because of certain characteristics they have, it is almost imposible to think they are harmless or inoffensive. Of course, people who laugh at others can see their "defects", but they cannot stand that any other person makes fun of them. It is easier to make jokes of different people than to accept them and to learn about their culture. From my personal opinion, it is true that this kind of jokes only helps to strenghten stereotypes and closes the oportunity to achive and effective interccultural communication.
I think this aversion towards jokes might have something to do with internalization. I really couldn’t care less about someone telling a joke about women’s place being in the kitchen, whether the joke is funny or not... I know for sure that my place isn’t there…and if someone’s is, I don’t see why they should have a problem admitting it. Even more, I do believe that being able to laugh at oneself is very liberating.
ResponderEliminarBesides, I wonder how much do “opinions” towards this specific issue have to do with the “politically correctness” of our time… I mean that, at one point, while we were reading the jokes in class, the professor stopped and laughed at one of the jokes and when she explained that we could laugh at this particular joke because it was “less offensive” than the rest and we needed a comic relief, most of the class burst into laugh!! So…was the joke funny from the very beginning and nobody laughed until they were granted permission? Or the joke was not funny and most of the class laughed because they felt obliged to? I think that jokes can be very, extremely dangerous when dealing with children; but could it be that, as adults, we are being conditioned to “have our own opinions” as far as they are politically correct?
.Gloria.
Althoug a joke might be said without the purpose to offend a person, a joke will always be a joke and there will always be a person or an specific group of people that will be really hurt because of it. The article refers to "balance" ... yeah right. Is there balance in jokes? MMM if you try to reduce the negative connotation of any joke it wouldn' be humorous. Alberto!!! :)
ResponderEliminarGloria pointed out tha situation with children... Let me tell you a TRUE story... the settinng is a Costa Rican home...
ResponderEliminarA Nicaraguan school girl started crying so madly once she reached home. Her mother was not accostumed to this kind of behavior for his daugter was usually very happy. Once the mom could make her daugther talk ,she so frustrated asked her mom, "¿mamà cómo puede lavarme y quitarme mi color de piel?, ¿còmo puedo dejar de ser nicaraguense?" The child explained to her mother at school they were told all kind of "jokes" about Nicaraguan people. After that her classmates did not wanted to play with her because "she was a dangerous Nicaraguan". I study this story in a course of Humanities. Professor Caro explained that even "simple jokes" can affect peoples life. This Nicaraguan child had to go to therapy to undestand that being a Nicaraguan does not make her "bad". Almost everybody dreams with a "better world" and many would also agree that tremendous changes are necessary in order to achieve it. The clue remains on everyday actions, on everyday words... Because this wold is like a net, we are all conected and words we utter may help or damage people.
I strongly believe that jokes based on stereotypes are inappropriate in any situation, whether they are shared among strangers or among friends. Inventing, repeating, laughing at, or even failing to speak out against stereotypical jokes only promotes and perpetuates these harmful stereotypes. Humor at the expense of others, especially when based on offensive over-generalizations about certain groups in society, can only be detrimental to society as a whole because they both reinforce these stereotypes while degrading entire groups within a society. Racism and unfounded hatred against certain groups in society are things that are not inherent but learned, and stereotypical jokes are simply a form of teaching disguised by malicious humor.
ResponderEliminarCristina Aviles
ResponderEliminarI feel that stereotypical jokes and stereotypes for that matter are highly inappropriate when used for malice, however, I'd be a hypocrite to say that I myself have never repeated a joke or two. I feel that it is important to note that many people can adapt and read a group or situation in which one knows what is deemed apporpriate to say or not. Within the dynamics of personal relationships, such as family, friends, and aqcuaintances, one adapts to the comfort levels. I in no way am trying to justify the use of stereotypical jokes in any way, I just am pointing out the fact that people may say them within the context of knowing that they can get a way with them in a certain group, which sets their own limits of "political correctedness or wrongness or rather what is deemed harmful or humorous.
I would say that I agree with Stephanie because the telling of jokes reinforces the stereotypes that a society has. For example, in Costa Rica, people are always saying jokes about Nicaraguans and these jokes show that Costa Ricans think they are superior. However, living in a society where telling jokes is part of it, it is hard for people to avoid listening to them. One way of getting rid of it is try to avoid telling jokes to decrease the high percentage of stereotypes in any society or culture.
ResponderEliminarPaola
I honestly enjoy more how people react towards a joke than the joke itself. Many jokes are very lame and stupid, but others are very creative and ingenious as Carlos has said. My favorite jokes are jokes about women. We all know that those jokes are very predictable and most people can guess how they are going to end, but the way women react is hilarious (for me). In the same way, jokes about men are sometimes even funnier than jokes about women, at the end of the day if a joke is meant to hurt somebody it is a bad joke...
ResponderEliminarMost people usually think that jokes are just a way to make people laugh; they don't think about the stereotypes behind that joke or how it could hurt other people. The truth is that, although we might be against steretypical attitudes of different types, some times we laugh not because of the implicit or explicit offence toward someone, but because of the ingeniuos way in which others make us laugh even about ourselves. As human beings, we have a tendency to attack what we don't know and fear, instead of interacting with it; jokes are a perfect example of such tendency and that is how stereotypes get reinforcement among cultures.
ResponderEliminarAny H ¬¬
I trully love stand-up comedy; the material gattered by most of these comedians are intelligently perfomed because they laugh at themselves. Instead of picking at someone else, taking yourself as repertiore is what a funny joke has to be. Therefore, as Michael has exposed before about Gorgojo and Porcionzon, the comedians have to look at themselves before telling a stereotypical joke. Take for example Richard Pryor, who was an stunning comedian that prefered to make fun of his drug addiction and race before making fun of someone else. Also another example is Margaret Cho, who takes her conditon of being a woman with a Korean background as her tool for triggering the audience's laughs by making fun of herself too. In my opinion, the best joke is the one that you laugh at yourself because everyone will laugh with you!!!
ResponderEliminarRosita Wong
Marykate Jones
ResponderEliminarI am a strong believer in the notion that language plays a huge role in a person’s life. I think that the language that we use shapes our thoughts, which in turn have a profound influence on our actions. Therefore I firmly believe that these “jokes” and the strong language used in them subconsciously are apart of what people really think and believe. In reality “jokes” are commonly breed within an agent group to the disadvantage of a target, or marginalized group and then further parroted among followers. In turn, I think that these racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, ageist, etc. assist the creation and perpetuation of oppression and inequality throughout the human race.
I really liked what Feinblatt said in the article about jokes. He said that there is (or should be) a delicate balance between what's ok and what's not because I think most people have either fallen for a joke and/or played a joke; thus, I think what it is important is to have a balance and know when a joke is appropriate and it is not. Not that racist jokes are appropriate but if one is going to play a joke at least make sure that non one is going to get hurt.
ResponderEliminari think these kind of jokes are a very destructive way to express what a person thinks and is not capable to say. they are not just inocent and simple words to make fun of some people, these jokes are weapons that distroy societies and create hatred between people that are civiled. however, what can be considered more barbaric or primitive than a society in which people cannot stand eachother just because they are different?
ResponderEliminarI do not like that kind of jokes...they are really offensive...
ResponderEliminarAt the end , we are all human beings . What is normal for us, may be unusual for other people... For example , here in Costa Rica we make lots of jokes about nicaraguans ( if we complain about stereotypes, what do we make that kind of jokes ?)
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In some way, jokes about the economical situation, politics, celebrities, sex and other topics can work as a means to laugh at those thinks that will otherwise makes feel frustrated or depressed. However, when these jokes address a specific person, group, race, movement or the like, the result will inevitably be an offense.
ResponderEliminarRacist jokes usually make me feel uncomfortable. However, maybe I'm a hypocrite for saying this, but I am not bothered by stereotypical jokes that are about a group to which the joke teller and I both personally belong. I never really thought about why some stereotyping jokes bother me and some do not, but I think I draw the line at whether or not the joke promotes ignorance about the target group. If the joke is shared in company that fully understands that it is a stereotype (like a group of priests telling jokes about Catholics), and doesn’t perpetuate ignorance, it doesn’t bother me. I think it’s valuable to be able to laugh at yourself but if what you’re saying perpetuates ignorance or offense, it’s better to keep your mouth shut.
ResponderEliminarEl lenguaje Castello es Machista
ResponderEliminarZorro = Héroe justiciero
Zorra = Pu-ta
Perro = Mejor amigo del hombre
Perra = Pu-ta
Aventurero = Osado, valiente, arriesgado.
Aventurera = Pu-ta
Cualquier = Fulano, Mengano, Zutano
Cualquiera = Pu-ta
Callejero = De la calle, urbano.
Callejera = Pu-ta
Hombrezuelo = Hombrecillo, mínimo, pequeño
Mujerzuela = Pu-ta
Hombre público = Personaje prominente. Funcionario público.
Mujer pública = Pu-ta
Hombre de la vida = Hombre de gran experiencia.
Mujer de la vida = Pu-ta
Puto = Homosexual
Puta = Puta
HEROE = Ídolo.
HEROÍNA = Droga
ATREVIDO = Osado, valiente.
ATREVIDA = Insolente, mal educada.
SOLTERO = Codiciado, inteligente, hábil.
SOLTERA = Quedada, lenta, ya se le fue el tren.
DIOS = Creador del universo y cuya divinidad se transmitió a su Hijo varón por línea paterna.
DIOSA = Ser mitológico de culturas supersticiosas, obsoletas y olvidadas.
SUEGRO = Padre político.
SUEGRA = Bruja, metiche, etc.
MACHISTA = Hombre macho.
FEMINISTA = Lesbiana.
DON JUAN = Hombre en todo su sentido.
DOÑA JUANA = La mujer de la limpieza
According to RAE, a “chiste” is a “Dicho o historieta muy breve que contiene un juego verbal o conceptual capaz de mover a risa.” Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines it as “something said to provoke laughter. Something not to be taking seriously.” But how can we laugh at someone’s misery, ethnic or traits? How can racist or sexist jokes not to be taking seriously?
ResponderEliminarJokes usually hide a more complex meaning. If we analyze them, we come to realize how mean and atrocious they are. Jokes are used to say something really mean in a “funny” way. Jokers, who are often encouraged by other people to believe that they are funny, are simple ignorant people who are NOT funny at all. Those who find humor in these so called “jokes” secretly share and agree with the stereotypes being portrayed.
It is said that “laughter is the best medicine”. I think that there are things in life that are funny, and laughing about them is fine, as long as the integrity and dignity of a person or group are not being compromised.